Showing posts with label Holy Spirit. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Holy Spirit. Show all posts

Wednesday, 6 July 2011

The Spirit - Co-Beloved, not the Love

Anyone can explain further?
In the third book of his work On The Trinity, Richard succeeded in developing an analogy of love that was fully triadic. “God is love” (1 John 4:8): such was his starting-point. Love is the perfection of human nature, the highest reality within our personal experience; and so it is the quality of love that brings us closest to God, expressing – better than anything else that we know – the perfection of the divine nature.
Richard then took a second step in his argument. Self-love, the love of one turned inwards, is not true love. Love signifies self-giving and exchange, and so it cannot be genuinely present unless it is mutual; it presupposes a “thou” as well an an “I.” True love can only exist, in the case, where there is a plurality of persons: “The perfection of one person requires fellowship with another,” wrote Richard. This is the case not only with human beings but likewise with divine being: divine love, as well as human, is fundamentally relational, and is characterized by sharing and communion. The fullness of glory, he affirmed, “requires that a sharer of glory be not lacking.” In God’s case, as in that of human persons, “nothing is more glorious … than to wish to have nothing that you do not wish to share.” If, then, God is love, it is inconceivable that he should be merely one person loving himself. He has to be at least two persons, Father and Son, loving each other.
Next, Richard took a crucial third step in his analysis of God’s relational being. To exist in plentitude, love needs to be not only “mutual” but “shared.” The closed circle of mutual love between two persons still falls short of the perfection of love; in order that such perfection may exist, the two have to share their reciprocal love with a third. “Perfect love casts out fear” (1 John 4:18); love in its perfection is without selfishness or jealousy, without fear of a rival. Where love is perfect, then, the lover not only loves the beloved as a second self, but wishes the beloved to have the further joy of loving a third, jointly with the lover, and of being jointly loved by that third. “The sharing of love cannot exist among any less than three persons. … Shared love is properly said to exist when a third person is loved by two persons harmoniously and in community, and the affection of the two persons is fused into one affection by the flame of love the a third.” In the case of God the Trinity, the “third” with whom the first two, the Father and the Son, share their mutual love is precisely the Holy Spirit, whom Richard termed condilectus, the “co-beloved.”
In this way Richard of St. Victor, in common with the Cappadocians, saw God in terms of interpersonal koinonia or communion. Following Augustine, he started with the relationship between lover (amans) and beloved (quod amatur). But then, instead of making the third member of the Trinity simply the love (amor) that passes between the first two, he treated the Holy Spirit as a fully personal subject, not just “love” but “co-beloved.” Instead of being dyadic, as in Augustine, the relationship affirmed by Richard is genuinely triangular. In Richard’s Triadology, then, there is a movement from self-love to mutual love, and so to shared love: from the love of the one (the Father alone) to the love of the two (Father and Son), and from this to the love of three (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). There is, according to Richard, no need to go beyond the number three; for, when the circle of the mutual love between lover and beloved is enlarged to include the co-beloved, the pattern of love is complete. In the words of Gregory of Nazianzus (not actually quoted by Richard): “The monad, moving forth into the dyad, came to rest in the triad.”


Monday, 5 July 2010

Differential Perichoresis

When we get very 'Eastern' in our theology
we tend to have a lot of uses of 'perichoresis' and 'koinonia' and things like that

but a loss of hierachical structure

the Father is in the Son and the Son in the Father
but isn't this not differently so?

the Father is completely in the Son, that the Son becomes His image,
but the Father is not the Son's image

put it this way...
everything about the being of a tree is within the branch
but the branch is also within the tree, yet differently so

So the Spirit comes from the Father to the Son
from the Son to the church
yet He does not 'flow' back in the same manner,
it is quite different

The Word does not return to Him void...
i.e. The Spirit fills up the Word, and the Word returns with the ful-filled Spirit

it is a different dynamic
how does it work in reverse? i.e. what is the dynamic of the Spirit from the Son (or church) to the Father - don't know

all through the Spirit.. but differently

Jonathan Edwards in His Trinity essay basically explains that the ontology of the Son is begottenness, and of the Spirit is procession

the Son is only God because He is God from God
The Spirit is only God because He proceeds from God to the begotten God
Yet the Father is only Father because He begets and out of Him the Spirit proceeds

their ontology is Trinitarian.. there is no separate 'being' without each other

ok enough rambling.. i'm confusing myself

there is application to this..
how do we relate to each other, and to Jesus, and to the Father...
How do we find intimacy in Him and each other...
we need to understand what the Spirit is doing

Wednesday, 16 June 2010

Jesus' Relationship with the Spirit at Baptism

Been reading some of Gunton...

not really the focus of the book.. but it brought this to mind:

Augustine on the baptism of Jesus:
"It would be utterly absurd for us to believe that he received the Holy Spirit when he was already thirty years old... but (we should) believe that he came to the baptism both entirely sinless and not without the Holy Spirit"

so the act of the Spirit coming upon Christ is merely a teaching aid for us or something like that - sounds ok?

Now Basil the Great:
"After this (the baptism at the Jordan), every operation was wrought with the co-operation of the Spirit. He was present while the Lord was being tempted by the devil... He was inseparably with Him while working His wonderful works... And He did not leave Him when He had risen from the dead..."

Here- there is a 'new' kind of relationship with Jesus and the Spirit after that point. really?

Here's my 2 bits:

At the point of baptism, Jesus is ready, being 30 years old, to be anointed as the Great High Priest, of the order higher than Levi. Here the high priest becomes one with his people, that is the assembly of God. He now enters via the Spirit not into a new relationship with the Spirit per se, but with the people of God via the Spirit, thus having a new dimension to His relationality, that is the communion of the Spirit. He is now the Head of the body, having been cut off from His Father's headship, He must now come into His own, before He can restore His full body back to the original Head - that God may be all in all once again.

what do you think?

Tuesday, 20 April 2010

What is Spirituality

Here is my current definition:

It is to open your heart completely to another...
and another, and another and another

such that 2 hearts are utterly joined to one another

therefore it is those who open their hearts utterly to God's open and poured out (Spirit-ed) heart, who can be called spiritual and are the best people to deal with 'sinners' (cf Gal 6:1) - who are the best people who have had their planks removed to handle the specks in others

Tuesday, 30 March 2010

The generated soul

Dichotomy - soul/spirit plus body ( 1 cor 7:34, James 2:26, etc)

or

Trichotomy - spirit plus soul plus body (1 Thess 5:23)


what about:

Input = spirit / breathed-in / wind / inner being

Output = flesh / body / members / outer being

Input animates output: James 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.

Spirit always controls flesh

but how about interaction between spirit & flesh = soul/heart/mind/neck

a Living and Holy spirit - generates an eternal and holy being

the original spirit blown into Adam then - is the Holy Spirit
but like in Stephen's speech - Adam rejected this Spirit
and listened instead to other spirits

the interaction between the flesh and spirit then produces Adam's character - a sinful puppet - controlled by an external spirit

salvation then comes with a 'renewed Spirit' - which unlocks the decayed and hardened deadwood, and allows the life-blood to now flow in and animate the flesh and release it from its puppet-life

the man is now a new man - a real man, animated flesh in submissive listening to the Counsellor

this then renews the soul - creates a new life

one that will continuously be renewed for all eternity - become a 'personality' identical to that of Christ

no wonder the necessity to separate soul from spirit and even flesh from bone by the Word of God (cf Heb 4)

still fiddling with this... let me know your thoughts

Wednesday, 17 February 2010

The Holy Spirit is not a Western-Counsellor

Psalm 37:4 4 Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart.

Cf this post on Glen's blog: http://christthetruth.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/god-is-a-haggler/

Lately I've asked someone to give me some training on Biblical counseling,
he made an interesting observation:

"We in Asia don't act the same way as Western counselors
when people come to us with a problem - they actually want a solution"

Actually I've realised that when I come to spend time with God,
I have "gotten past" the - 'here is my shopping list God' stage
and into the more 'spiritual' stage of 'just-listening'
but i wonder if i was actually listening,
actually now i think i've come to God simply just to feel better

The Spirit is there to counsel, meaning to intercede
to search my heart and take my desires to my Father,
and compare them with His heart, and respond with an answer

He is meant to grant me my desires - if they match His
So does He deal with Christ - and gives Him the desires of His heart - which are also the desires of His Father's heart

therefore my position in prayer is one of pleading, either for myself or for others
Jeremiah 27:18 18 If they are prophets, and if the word of the LORD is with them, then let them intercede with the LORD of hosts,

My other position in prayer therefore is wrestling
- i.e. Gethsemane
From reading His Word i realise that my desires do not match His desires, and I must wrestle with Him until I submit and accept His will
only then is there peace and even future joy

Therefore I do not just come to 'feel good'
but to petition and to wrestle with my flesh
The Spirit will probe and poke me and guide me until I am matching Christ's mind
thus the more I spend with Him - the more He counsels

Perhaps something like that?

Saturday, 6 June 2009

The Spirit in Adam, the Covenant of Grace

Hey people.. I never really had a chance to vocalise my thoughts on the nature of Adam's faith, so here are some (non-detailed) bullet-points..

  • When Adam was made of dust, he was 'good' but just like the rest of creation, is still awaiting the type of New Creation perfection.. total unity of heaven and earth, rather than just the garden of Eden
  • What this means is that redemption and new creation is not a return to Eden, but is better than Eden
  • So Adam, pre-fall, is less than what we inherit post-new creation
  • Despite Adam pre-fall inheriting no sin, he was our head in whom we committed the same things (Hebrews 7 - the point on us tithing through Abraham to Melchizedek)
  • He had the covenant of grace mediated to him via Christ the Redeemer PRIOR to his fall, not after... so Christ had already been his Mediator whether or not he sinned
  • And so it was necessary that all of mankind be banished to death to gain this new life, just as the natural plantation and etc had continual 'reincarnation' of seeds new life death seeds new life death... a prophecy of our death long before Adam had even sinned
  • Every good thing in Adam's faith prior to the fall was invoked by the Spirit Who was not only indwelling, but was possibly MORE than that... it was a natural and organic type of relation to Adam (re: Abraham Kuyper on the Spirit), he was more intimate with God then than he was after the fall when he still had the Spirit, but merely as a deposit... and the Spirit thereafter finds it hard to strive long in men
  • Thus the mediation between Adam and the Father through Christ shifts from that represented by the covenant of grace in the tree of life to the covenant of works in the tree of good and evil... from Christ's mediation of the Trinitarian communion to Adam usurping the role of Christ and becoming part of the covenant of works which only Christ could have performed as part of the working Trinity
  • We were never meant to be part of the covenant of works... Adam had enjoyed Sabbath immediately after he was created; but only Jesus Christ, the Father and the Spirit could live lives of purity and holiness within this covenant of works... something which a man from earth/dust could never accomplish and never partake... but he took part in it anyway
  • Hence the necessary fall... for our greater redemption! death is a blessing in disguise, but indeed a curse of the greatest heresy if we live daily as if we were partaking in an enduring covenant of works..

Monday, 8 December 2008

The Tangible Spirit

How does the Holy Spirit do stuff?

Frequently we end up with inevitabilities or terms like 'mystic' or 'mysterious'

But I think it's a bit more tangible than that

for instance - in Glen's post here: Barcode or Magnum?
The gospel itself is the power of salvation - we carry the very words of the Spirit
but then it is not really mere words is it?
Because to a 'spiritual man' - the gospel comes with the Spirit Himself! and produces conviction (cf. 1 Thess 1:5)

Was talking with Tom & Leon about the mystic union we share with Christ
how that too is quite tangible - it is very real, very physical
thus that if one shares one's body with a prostitute - one unites Christ with darkness
similarly if one member of the body suffers - all suffer
or if you sin in the flesh - you grieve the Spirit

I have this view that the Spirit works like a counsellor
He tells us what to do - and then to walk in the Spirit - is to do it
Counsellor isn't it?

But as we do the things the Spirit desires of us, and not do the things that grieve Him or cause Him to withdraw (in a relationship sense) - the tangibility of the Spirit becomes more and more apparent

these connections to Christ and His body are more real - as Paul can say with a great deal of power that he will be there in Spirit
The Spirit influences all decisions and even puts creation and it's functioning into our very being as we are brought up closer into Christ - cf. Acts 27 when Paul knows what is going to happen with the ship -it's as though he has become linked to the whole body of Christ - creation and the church itself!

Food no longer is the satisfaction - Christ - the Word - becomes more of a real filling up and fulfilment

Our feeble attempts at healing one another become real - closing even mortal wounds - our attempts at communication become clearer - crossing language barriers becomes no problem with 'tongues'

The only reason most of the church considers these things mysterious or terminated is the lack of closeness with Him who indwells the body of Christ - follow Him and He will consolidate, even solidify these things - they will become reality.. until the day even our very flesh is transformed into the very physical nature of the Spirit Himself!